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43-11-25 Fletcher's All Dressed-Up

STARRING: ART VAN HARVEY, BERNARDINE FLYNN, DAVID WHITEHOUSE AND CLARENCE HARTZELL
Yes!
Both Vic and Russell have just seen Uncle Fletcher on Kelsey Street all dressed up. Uncle Fletcher stops past and they try to find out why... Uncle Fletcher explains he'd been sitting on the cistern lid whittling a shoe-horn when Mis' Keller poked her head out the window and suggested it would be a good time to fix his everyday pants, which he had on. So he changed into his good pants. Figured it would make sense to put on his good shirt, too. And his good coat and shoes and vest and suspenders and sleeve-garters, and socks and hat.

SEE THE SCRIPT (part 1) (part 2)
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When someone asks you what Vic and Sade is really all about - and you tell them that it's not really about anything - and when they give you that puzzled look, you can show them this script.  That's when they shrug their shoulders and leave you as they head for the television.

This episode is simply about Sade's uncle changing clothes.  He figures he'll go ahead and get dressed up, you know, why the heck not?  Vic and Sade and Russell were a bit curious, but really, they really could have cared less!

And THIS is typical of the show.  Even so, it's entertaining as a horse.  For instance, is this not typical of Uncle Fletcher?:
But my favorite is this one:

This episode took place on Thanksgiving day.

41-10-14 Vic Declines Cornet Lessons

STARRING: ART VAN HARVEY, BERNARDINE FLYNN AND BILL IDELSON
Vic gave Alf Musherton 19-20 hours of special tutoring at the Butler House Hotel as Musherton is a candidate for initiation in the Sacred Stars of the Milky Way.

Musherton is so pleased and grateful to Vic that he cries and insists on giving Vic or any Vic's relatives or acquaintances 20 free cornet lessons. Vic doesn't want the lessons and neither does Rush. The rest of the episode is spent trying to come up for candidates to take the free lessons.

Eventually he decides to give Hank Gutstop a quarter if he'll take the first lesson.
MIS' CROWE SAYS:

This is a classic episode: absurd Rhymerian concept, colorful side characters, and Vic, Sade, and Rush fulfilling their favored roles (Vic thoughtful, Sade skeptical and scoffing, and Rush sitting back and delighting in the absurdity of it all). It’s also yet another episode in which men who cry are prominently featured – Vic’s friend Alf Musherton is a cryer, and Rush suggests that he might feel a kinship with Mr. Sludge because of it.

This episode presents an interesting commentary on the act of gift-giving. While we think of a gift giving as a one-way transaction, in which the giver altruistically gives something to the recipient and the recipient can choose to do what he will with it. However, the act of giving a gift isn’t a totally altruistic one, especially when it’s a gift given as reciprocity like Alf’s here. The gift giver gets the relief of a lifted obligation, the knowledge that he has reciprocated the past kindness of the recipient. This aspect of gift-giving places certain obligations on the recipient of the gift: it’s churlish to turn the gift down, because then you’re not allowing the person to feel that lifted obligation. Alf’s gift therefore becomes a bit of a white elephant as Vic has to put time and energy into coming up with a way to use it. A little ironic, since the gift was meant to thank Vic for his time and energy in tutoring Alf in the first place!
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GARRY MOTTER SAYS:
This was the first Vic & Sade episode I ever heard.  I had heard of  the show, so when it came on the radio I gave it a listen.  It starts out slowly as they often do, and I feared the worst.  But by the time it was over I was enchanted.  I think it was the discussion of Mr. Sludge and Alf alternately yipping and sobbing that hooked me.  I "yipped" on the cornet myself at Rush's age, so this gave me a laugh. 
This is not one of the laugh-out-loud hilarious episodes, but is amusing in a surreal sort of way that appeals to me.  Still, one can't help bust out at Rush's anecdote about Mr. Richards having to call the plumber. 
Sade seems to think it ridiculous that a garbage man might want to play the cornet, yet the teacher himself is a sewage disposal worker.  One thing that stands out is that Vic is seen here as sensible and calm in a bizarre situation.  He deals with it thoughtfully and decisively, while Sade is panicked at the idea of a cornet in the house.  Too often he is humiliated by the end, but here he is in firm command.
SEE THE SCRIPT (transcribed by Garry Motter)
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I think you will find that this episode is one of the most rewarding of the lot. If you haven't heard this one before, you should be extremely happy with the ending.

Trivia:

+ Rush wants to read aloud from a Third Lieutenant Stanley book that deals with coat and hat thieves in the Sahara Desert, but no one wants to hear it.

+ In a previous episode, Vic was to fake playing the cornet in a band concert. A year and a half later, you wonder why he would turn down the free lessons?

+ Some people who Vic, Rush and Sade suggested may want to learn the cornet: Mr. Gumpox, Uncle Fletcher and Mr. Sludge.

+ Sade refers to playing the cornet as "yipping." According to the Etymological Dictionary, "yip" means to "chirp like a bird."

+ Rush tells an Uncle Fletcher-type story about Mr. Richards, who used to play the cornet: {{{HEAR}}}

+ Hank Gutstop is known to hang around the Lazy Hours Pool Hall until closing time.

+ Rush knows the telephone number of the Lazy Hours Pool Hall (#8764-J.) However, in an earlier episode, Rush said, "[I] don’t know any pool hall telephone numbers. Mom’d throw me over the people’s bank building".

+ When Vic calls Hank, he's told that Hank Gutstop is playing bottle pool.

+ This is the first episode where the term, "stuff happens" is used.  Wikipedia credits this variant of the term "sh*t happens" to writer Paul Rhymer and Vic and Sade.  (((HEAR)))

+ The last few episodes have all been more than 10 minutes long; a sign that less commercial time was going into the program and probably a sign of the popularity of Vic and Sade.

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Frequently Asked Questions

LAST UPDATED: September 30, 2017

Who were/are some of the more famous fans of the show/Paul Rhymer?

Some of the more notorious fans we know about include: Ray Bradbury, Norman Corwin, Stan Freberg. Edgar A. Guest, Edgar Bergen, Ogden Nash, John O'Hara, Fred Rogers, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jean Shepherd, James Thurber, Thelma Todd, Tom Lehrer, Hendrik Willem van Loon, Chester Lauck, Norris Goff, Ethel Barrymore, Jane Seymour, Bill Thompson, Tony Randall, Barbra Fuller, Bill Cullen, Don Ameche, Walter Huston, Jim Jordan, Marian Jordan, Don QuinnPaul Whiteman, Robert Benchley, Ann Guilbert, Carlton Morse, Carl Reiner, Kurt Vonnegut, Everett Greenbaum, Andy Griffith, Jack Foster, Leonard Maltin, Erma Bombeck, Cary Grant, McLean Stevenson, Alec Templeton, Shirley Temple, Jason Willis, John Steinbeck, Dave Garroway, Sherwood Anderson...
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And those who mysteriously claim not to be have been fans: Garrison Keillor [1]

Until 1940, Vic, Sade and Rush were the only talking characters, right?

There is substantial evidence that at least two other characters had very brief cameo appearances and spoke before the arrival of Uncle Fletcher.

Was "Vic and Sade" really on television?

It was. It wasn't called "Vic and Sade", no matter what you read or who tells you this. At least not the first time - as the show was on at two different times. The first time it was called "The Gook Family". I find it to be hideous - maybe even beyond hideous. And if you wish your life and enjoyment of the show to be ruined, you can go to YouTube and have your life ruined as you watch that monstrosity. Don't do it! As a matter of fact, try to forget about the television show. Please?


Why does Sade call Rush, ''Willie''?

Sarah Cole, one of the resident experts around here, contends that ''Willie'' is used because ''William'' was Idelson's first name.


Then, why does Sade often call Russell, ''Willie''?

Pure guessing on my part, but I assume she did this to show Idelson (and the audience) that she had not forgotten ''Willie'' while he was in the Navy.

[In some ways, this adds to the whole "Russell was a second-class citizen" portrayal.]


'Bernadine' or 'Bernardine'?

You will see Flynn's name in both varieties, even in old magazines and newspapers.  I have it on authority that it is, 'Bernardine'.

There was considerable press about Flynn when she and Don Ameche worked together on Empire Builders.  They had also gone to college together.  It appears that in those early interviews, Flynn's first name was often spelled wrong.

When Flynn became co-host of the News for Ivory Flakes and Crisco in 1943-44, her name was often misspelled in the daily newspaper promos for that program. (see graphic)

Her name was often misspelled during the days of the Vic and Sade television show press as well.

Where did Rush come from?

Sade had a very close friend named "Mary Meadows" who had rough financial difficulties during the Depression.  Her friend has a son named "Victor Rush Meadows", who just so happened to be named after Victor Gook.

The Gooks adopted this boy, although as far as I can tell, there never was any kind of official, legal act of adoption.   Yet, young Victor's last name subsequently changed to "Gook", so we can assume there was a legal ceremony.

According to the A to Z of American Radio Soap Operas, page 236, Rush's real first name was "Russell" and his last name was Meadows.   But that book is wrong, as so many other books are on Vic and Sade.

It was agreed upon almost immediately that Vic would call young Victor, "Rush".  Rush would call Vic, "Guv".

What was "The Daily (Little) Love Story?"
 

It looked something like this.


What happened to Josephine Gumpox, the mail-order bride of Mr. Gumpox, the garbage collector?

We know that in the episode where the two are married, that they live at 702 West Chestnut Street.  But after this, Jake Gumpox lives at the Bright Kentucky Hotel, a bachelor hotel.

According to John T. Hetherington, (author of Vic and Sade on the Radio: A Cultural History of Paul Rhymer's Daytime Series -- who answered a lot of questions about the scripts that I posed to him through e-mail), there is no mention as to what happened to Josephine in the days or even weeks after Mr. Gumpox brought his wife to town.
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What was "The Brick Mush Man?"
1905
 

No one seems to be completely sure but it could be a street vendor/door-to-door salesman who sold polenta or a cornmeal mush in brick form, often a breakfast food and often served with syrup and probably fried.

I  made a discovery that seems to prove without doubt that at least by 1903, there were in fact real ''brick mush salesmen'' who had ''brick mush'' for sell, as well as other foods, using a wagon, going from street to street. (see graphic)

Here's a video that may show how to make brick mush.

Incidentally, brick mush costs 13 cents in one episode and 15 cents in another episode. It comes in several colors: midnight blue, off-apricot, burnt silver, graveyard grey, green dawn, bruised maroon and daffodil black!


There are several (50 or more) audio episodes that exist which aren't yet available to the collector. Will they ever be released?

I talked to a very reliable, knowledgeable and legitimate source recently who told me that the files in question have either been sold years ago (to Radio Spirits) or were donated to the Library of Congress.

What this means to the collector such as you and me is that they may one day show up in the Radio Spirits catalog - but even if they do, they wouldn't be free and you'd be breaking the law if you downloaded a bootleg mp3 off the internet.

If they were donated to the Library of Congress, they may never be heard by anyone except to visitors of the library and even then, who knows?

The final answer is - there's no way for us to know just yet, but it doesn't look good.


What are "beef punkles?"

No one seems to know for sure - it seems to be made-up. We know, however, that they take fours hours to cook before they are tender.

They are sometimes referred to as "boiling beef".

What is 'who laid the chunk?'

It's probably answered here.

What is Hooper (maybe "Hoover") Dip?

No one knows. It was mentioned once - in this episode. According to Russell and Sade, it's some kind of sweet sauce that goes with upside-down cake. But no mention of this can be found on the internet, so it's likely a made up thing like beef punkles.

What is Stingyberry Jam?

It's some odd sort of food invented by B.B. Baugh. According to Sade and Russell, it "churns and writhes and crawls and breathes in the bottle." It's "green and bubbly and cloudy and funny." It contains 46 ingredients. Uncle Fletcher professes often about how great it is but he claims he's never tried it!

Who was "Billy Patterson?"

See this. And this. And this.

Where do Vic and Sade live?

To my knowledge, there is no definitive answer (despite what you have heard and read) but we can assume they live somewhere close to Bloomington, Illinois. This was where creator Paul Rhymer grew up.  If not Bloomington, then Normal, which is a suburb of Bloomington.

In part-time Vic and Sade announcer Mel Allen's Book, "How 'Bout That" he writes that Vic and Sade lived in Cooper, Illinois, which is outside of Springfield. I find that to be completely the opposite of what I believe.

Then there is the whole Crooper, Illinois fiasco!

Yet another source (the Lakeland Ledger, 1979) states Vic and Sade lived in Cropper, Illinois. (There is no such town on the the map.)

Would you believe, Rushville Center?

Most of the towns the Gooks mention as being close are also close to Bloomington. In a very early show, Vic tells Rush he used to play baseball in Normal, which is a suburb of Bloomington.  The People's Bank Building was a famous building in Bloomington. Miller Park Zoo is mentioned several times - yes, there's a Miller Park Zoo, too in Bloomington. Even the newspaper name corresponds with Bloomington's. In the episode, History of Plant Number 14, Vic says the plant was erected in 1910 and was built in McClean County. Bloomington is in McClean County, Illinois (see map). Here is a much broader map. Also, see this.

Cooper, Cropper, et al, told to us over and over in various articles, books and radio interview programs - are simply WRONG!  The Gooks lived in Bloomington or Normal, Illinois -  - (Bill Idelson said it was Bloomington in this interview in the 1970's.)

According to both Barbara Schwarz and author John T. Hetherington, Crooper was only mentioned in the 1957 television show, which has almost nothing in common with the first radio series.

Where is "Carberry" - home of Bess, Walter and Euncie?

In an interview with Bernardine Flynn, she stated that Carberry was actually Carlyle, Illinois. There, Paul Rhymer actually had kin named Bess and Walter (I believe, his sister and brother-in-law) and to top it off, Walter had a bad kneecap.  See the map.

Where is Dixon? Sade refers to Dixon as where she came from before she moved to the town they live in.

See the map.

What's the deal with Raymond Belcher Beirman? He shows up everywhere.

Raymond Beirman has his own section. He was a studio engineer whose name wound up in the show.

What's with all the Lum and Abner mentions?

This also has it's own section. Seems that Chester Lauck and Tuffy Goff (Lum and Abner) were big admirers of Vic and Sade (reference) and vice versa. Clarence Hartzell played huge parts on both shows as well.

If there really was a People's Bank building in Bloomington, Illinois, let's see it!

Yes, this postcard is of the PEOPLE'S BANK BUILDING in Bloomington, Illinois (circa 1920.)  No episode will ever be the same again as you now envision stuff being thrown over it (shoes, undershirts and whatever else they may have said!)
David Whitehouse 1943

Where did Russell come from?

According to the John Dunning Book, The Encyclopedia of Old-Time Radio, page 701, Russell was the orphaned nephew of Mr. Buller, Vic's boss at Plant 14, Consolidated Kitchenware. His parents were killed. This story also coincides with research done by Barbara Schwarz and John T. Hetherington.

According to Hetherington, Sade initially feels that Russell is thrust upon her and Vic. But in a scene shortly after this, she loving wipes away Russell's tears.

David Whitehouse recalls some early memories here.

As far as I know, there never was any official or legal adoption!  And I don't ever believe Russell uses the name "Russell Gook" or is ever called that.

What is Hyena Grease (the oil Uncle Fletcher rubs on his shoes?)

Hyena Grease is a concoction invented by Roy Dejectedly; it is Hyena Grease mixed with turpentine, creosote, lamp black and tractor oil. It's "the finest preparation for smearing on your shoes there is in the entire civilized world."

We have no idea if this is a polish or what it is, but Roy Dejectedly and Uncle Fletcher seem to swear by it.

The formula is [supposed to be] secreted inside Vic's safety deposit box in the People's Bank.

What is "500"?

"500" is a real card game. The rules are available hereWatch a video that shows you how to play.

What happened to Rush?  Why is he missing in 1943?

Check here and here. Bill Idelson (Rush) volunteered himself into the Coast Guard, then the U.S. Navy, February 15, 1943. However, he is missing from the show a couple of months prior to this. Needless to say, it was assuredly Coast Guard or Navy-related.

There is no explanation on the show as to where he went - he is simply no longer there.  Four months later in June, he is replaced by David Whitehouse, who played Russell.

Why was Vic missing for stretches?

He was ill.

What is the Chicago-Alton Railroad?

See this map, and this.

"Stuff happens"

Stuff happens. It's a popular statement these days. It's often twisted into a more vulgar phrase "sh*t happens"; Wikipedia gives credit to Paul Rhymer for it, as does the book, "The Dictionary of Modern Proverbs" here.

It was Bernardine Flynn's character, Sade, who most often said, "stuff happens" on Vic and Sade. The earliest occurrence I can find is in 1941, in the episode, Vic Declines Cornet Lessons. (((HEAR)))

What exactly is the "Greek junk?"

He may never get credit for it, but what Paul Rhymer seemingly did was invent Lorem ipsum, which is basically a half-Latin, half-gibberish  writing, used for fill-in.  If it was not Lorem Ipsum, it was something very close to it.

Wikipedia and others do not give him credit, yet, if you read the articles around the internet carefully, you will see Rhymer's "Greek junk" came along before any of the mentioned Lorem ipsum.

However, people much smarter than me (including English whiz and Vic and Sade devotee, Lydia Crowe) disagree with me.  And she is probably right.

It's all Greek to me!

Were there any other shows like Vic and Sade?

Bill Idelson, when working and writing with Andy Griffith on the Andy Griffith Show, told a story that is oft-repeated; Griffith told Idelson that the Andy Griffith Show was "doing the same thing" as Vic and Sade (reference).

Meanwhile, another of the show's writers, Everett Greenbaum, was also a noted and devoted fan of Vic and Sade (1) (2)

Others have commented that Seinfeld and Vic and Sade were similar.  Meh.

A Prairie Home Companion, which is a radio program from Public Radio, is similar in some aspects, but not so much in others. Garrison Keillor denies being influenced by Vic and Sade. or Paul Rhymer.

Radio
  • When Vic and Sade began in 1932, about 60% of American households had radio.
  • By the time Vic and Sade left the air in 1946, 90% of the households had radios.
Never do we hear a radio or reference to the radio in "Vic and Sade"!  (Although, the never-broadcast audition episode mentions radio).

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